[Freedom-misc] What Would an Entirely Free Software World Look Like?

mason at masonhock.com mason at masonhock.com
Sat Jan 12 20:53:23 CET 2019


 > See, it seems to me, though I admit I don't know very much about the topic,  
that a failed system is being touted as superior to a successful system.

I can't speak for nadebula, but I think that they were implying that  
socialism is morally superior, not necessarily that it has been more  
successful. I don't get the sense that this is your view, but to put it in  
the context of your own values, proprietary video games have been far more  
successful than free ones, yet you have chosen to create free games, so  
presumably there was something you valued more than history and probability  
of success in making that decision. I don't want to get into the question of  
whether or not socialism really is morally superior, but I think that it's  
where nadebula is coming from. I agree though that

 > I'm just trying to work out what is supposed to be done to make it succeed  
in the long-term.

is a good question.

 > I was asking about why socialism would not be overthrown in the U.S. That  
wouldn't entail a new economic system; it would simply involve removing  
government-controlled factories, farms, etc to go back to the old system.

To me "overthrown" has the connotation of being violent and/or occurring very  
quickly, which might be a good description of what happened in China and the  
Soviet Union (I'm no expert on the topic either) but is probably not how it  
would happen if the United States became a socialist country (unless  
socialism were achieved by first overthrowing the US *political* system, but  
that's not the scenario I'm assuming). It seems now that by "overthrown" you  
meant "reverted" without the connotation I took from it, but the observation  
is still relevant:

It's difficult to imagine the United States as a socialist country because we  
are so far from being one. However, the premise of this question is that we  
somehow ended up there. Given the nature of our political system, I think  
that this would have to happen slowly and involve many steps that reinforce  
and are reinforced by a large cultural shift. Reverting these things would  
not be so simple. My view here has little to do with socialism itself. I  
think that any large change within a slow-moving political system will be  
harder to revert than in a volatile one.


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