[Freedom-misc] I think the Raptor machines run Trisquel

mason at masonhock.com mason at masonhock.com
Thu Oct 4 00:09:27 CEST 2018

 > It is not more efficient to derive from debian than ubuntu

No, and it has already been explained to you why. Feel free to examine the  
package helpers[1] yourself.

 > considering ubuntu is a debian
 > derivative which adds non free software?

Ubuntu might add some non-free software, but they probably get most of their  
non-free software from Debian. The fact that non-free is disabled by default  
in Debian is only relevant to Debian users, not to downstream.

 > https://trisquel.info/en/new-cycle-what-we-achieved-and-whats-come
 > Does ruben say he gets paid by the fsf but works on trisquel in his
 > free time? Or does ruben say he is able to work on trisquel during his fsf
 > hours? I read the latter.

He only says that he no longer requires a stipend because he is able to  
support himself with his salary as sysadmin at the FSF. He does not say that  
he works on Trisquel during hours for which he is paid to be a sysadmin.

 > Not ruben?

Either. Why haven't you messaged one of them yet? I'm not responding to your  
other points about Trisquel/FSF because if you had evidence for them you  
would surely have produced it by now. Hopefully David or Ruben can answer  
your questions about Trisquel's finances.

 > What about pureos?

Is PureOS targeted at beginners? I hope not, because Purism's forum is a bad  
place for beginners to be. Users often ask for and receive help installing  
proprietary software, usually with no warning that this would be bad for  
their freedom. I discovered this when I briefly browsed the forum after  
stumbling on this thread[2] while researching a WiFi card. In the thread, a  
Purism employee advises a user to add Debian non-free in order to install  
non-free firmware. Beginners would be better off with a community that values  
freedom and will not steer them in the wrong direction. For advanced users  
who know better or do not require the forum for support it might not be such  
a problem, since PureOS itself will not steer them toward non-free software  
assuming it adheres to the FSDG.

 > If free software
 > mainboards were many and tests available I would not ask fsf to promote or
 > test any given mainboard.

Fair enough.

 > Fsf should buy and test the only new free software mainboard which is for  

I assume that by "test" you mean evaluate for RYF endorsement. If you mean  
something else then correct me. I agree with you that the Talos, and non-x86  
architectures in general, are important, but no one needs the FSF's  
permission to use it. The purpose of a RYF endorsement would be for Raptor to  
use the endorsement to help promote their product. If Raptor doesn't want to  
do this, then it is not worth spending the FSF's money on. If you want to see  
this happen, you'll first have to convince Raptor, not Trisquel users or the  

[1] https://devel.trisquel.info/trisquel/package-helpers/tree/flidas/helpers
[2] https://forums.puri.sm/t/wifi-not-working/1249

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