[Freedom-misc] What if RMS Really WAS President?
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onpon4 at riseup.net
Mon Jul 30 07:10:21 CEST 2018
> what sources count for you?
That would depend.
If it's science we're talking about (most likely), I would not find anything
not supported by peer-reviewed research in respected scientific journals to
be credible. That doesn't mean the research paper has to be your direct
source, though. If you actually got your information from a blog, for
example, I'd like to know about that source so I can verify whether or not
the blogger properl understood the research he cited, and whether or not he
cited good research at all.
But if it's not about science, then I can't think of any hard and fast rules
for what constitutes a good source. I would say traditional journals are
generally speaking more credible than blogs, but even that is not a hard and
> although GMOS I am told by people who work at organic stores, etc...
I appreciate your honesty on this point. And I see a serious problem with
your source, which you yourself seem to understand, but I will elaborate:
people who work at organic stores have an ulterior motive, a business
interest, to propagate a bad name for GM crops. Not as much as a salesman,
mind, but I know that I am generally speaking loyal to my own employer, and
some of my views align very well with the business of my employer. This may
be because of my desire to help my employer succeed, or alternatively it
might have been a factor that made me fit into its business environment so
well. Either way, I know this was no accident, and would expect the same
phenomenon with workers at organic stores.
> About all I know is that natural foods don't lead to long term weight gain
as much as gmo foods/artificals.
That's not necessarily true, except perhaps to the extent that "organic"
farming results in food that's more expensive and therefore serves as an
incentive to eat less. You gave a good example shortly after:
> foods, with high fructose corn syrup don't let you know your full as quick
thus you gain more weight because even though it has less calories, you eat
many times more trying to get the same amount of nurtients.
This is true, but it is a property not exclusive to high fructose corn syrup
(which I should note is not necessarily a product of GM crops, though given
that most corn these days is GM it's a safe bet that it usually is). It's a
property of all sugars, including sucrose.
> ps, I have tried organic bananas and organic mangos and compared them to
the non ones, they are far more satisifying to me.
Did you conduct your experiment in a double-blind manner? That is to say,
without knowing whether you were eating the organic or non-organic banana in
each case? If not, your experience will be affected by the label.
> well, you did say that gmo additives can save lives like it was fact,
because you did say that they do save lives... I am confused as to how that
is even possible.
The mechanism is typically by reducing rates of starvation (simply because
more food = cheaper food = more people can eat), but in the case of golden
rice, vitamin A deficiency can and does kill people in poor countries that
golden rice is intended for:
> but high fructose corn syrup, aspratame all cause cancer and they are
Aspartame is one of the most well tested substances on the market with
thousands of peer-reviewed research papers, hundreds of which are safety
tests. Certain individuals with a rare condition cannot consume aspartame,
but for everyone else, unless you eat a ridiculous amount (around a few dozen
cans of Diet Coke in a single day), there is no risk.
> People are very against gmos as well, shouldn't they have the right to
know, if they are eating foods with them in it?
People being against something does not validate opposition to that thing or
warnings against that thing. There are people who are against vaccines,
probably the most miraculous life-savers of the modern era.
> Well, I would like to see your evidence for why GMOS, save lives.
Sounds good. I've posted a paper of some kind that I found supposedly showing
the harms of Vitamin A deficiency. I'll find some research regarding crop
yields and the effectiveness of golden rice tomorrow (it's getting late right
now), and also try to verify that paper regarding the harms of Vitamin A
> ps, this should probably be in the troll lounge otherwise it will eat up
this area with a long dicussion about faith vs reason and gmos, etc...
I do agree with that, it's not really about libre software at this point. :)
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